Canali Hd sky italia le vostre considerazioni by paprica

[paprica]

La mia informazione è stata di 10 giorni fa la cerchia di amici afferma se e' vero o no del kill (!) (altrimenti, ri-pairing . ciò che sta accadendo, è che il cielo ha cambiato qualcosa in abbinamento, che OSCAM emulare correttamente finora ... nient'altro. Tutto quello che dobbiamo fare è aspettare per loro per capirlo. -) non è possibile confermare le carte vengono killate. Diciamo solo che sono d'accordo attualmente e che non vi è stato un cambiamento in abbinamento hardware, abbiamo bisogno dei risultati agli sviluppatori di oscam

E poi ancora si dice che usando il Thomson dsi8215 300gb loro erano riusciti a riottenere gli hd, ma il metodo risala almaggio scorso.. possibile che lo avevamo sotto il naso e se davvero funzioni??


Lascio a voi gli interrogativi.

Vorrei portare avanti questa discussione in modo costruttivo tenendoci informati di eventuali sviluppi futuri.


Buona domenica a tutti ragazzi

[Grattachecca]

Io dico solo che la mia 919 mangia di tutto entra ed esce dal mysky e dal xtrend con cccam e fino ad ora non ha subito disguidi ( spero che continui così ). Personalmente ritengo che il cielo abbia una black list dove inserisci tutti quelli che hanno richiesto cambio card e ogni tanto fa un po di pulizia al loro interno. Per quanto riguarda gli HD come già detto prima o poi uscirà qualcosa per avere luce, ci sono troppi soldi in ballo. Personalmente spero che spengano la luce definitivamente e fine dei giochi per me questo non è più un hobby ( o forse lo è restato per pochi nostalgici ) ma business.....

[Colinf]

Non condivido al 100% ma quasi le parole di grattachecca,ogni cosa dopo un po' diventa businiss questo oramai e' diventato peggio del seca2,e cmq i giochi probabilmente non finiranno mai anche se finiscono ora son gia' cominciati diversamente,non ho mai visto un'azienda senza un "corvo" hahahaha

[Grattachecca]

Ma avete visto i prezzi sulla baia che ha raggiunto quel bidone del decoder thomson ?? Pazzaesco... Cercate su San Google: DECODER SKY HD THOMSON DSI DH310 :D

[Colinf]

Secondo il mio parere sono prezzi messi li' da oggetti non in vendita..

[enzo]

Secondo il mio parere sono prezzi messi li' da oggetti non in vendita..

Si credo anche io

[Bajiji25]

Scusate l'ignoranza ma che cosa avrebbe questo Thomson di diverso dai normali box mysky?

[robyuan]

con beneficio d'inventario:
thomson dsi 310 hd e amstrad 2307 hd e' possibile leggere per una volta il contenuto della flash.(poi si cancella) per poi implementare una emu(non so quale) per aprire cosi' gli hd.

[Colinf]

Azz 500euro per vedere gli hd:omg:..aiutano la cecita'?hahahahaha

[paprica]

Allora ragazzi il tema centrale cui focalizzare le nostre attenzioni e' proprio li sul decoder thomson dsi 310 hd e amstrad 2307 come Robyuan stava menzionando. Appena mi libero dal lavoro devo fare un salto da Chip planet e vediamo cosa riesco a tirare fuori.
Se ha delle novita' in merito vi faccio sapere...............................Devo parlagli di persona :dahka:

[dinodn]

HO visto anche io quella foto con i tre rele' ed il timer.... ci credo poco....:O_O:

[Grattachecca]

La foto è roba vecchia......
Copia incolla da altro lido : " piuttosto che correre dietro ai thompson sarebbe meglio che qualcuno si interessasse al dsi 175b con patch mango1.a, sembra che tolga il flushing dal nibble basso della 54 dopo circa 20 minuti di funzionamento (a patto che il parallelismo del seriale sia giusto)..

ma è meglio che non vada oltre.."

[robyuan]

dovresti anche dire che la replica di non faccio nome, gli ha chiuso la bocca. il non faccio nome non si smentisce mai hehehe

[Grattachecca]

La risposta dell' Admin: " Eh si mi sa che non è auspicabile andare oltre :-) ciauz "
Vuol dire tutto e non vuole dire niente come per il decoder Thompson ;)

[robyuan]

ecco adesso e' completo.

ps lui non e' admin su quel forum.

[Grattachecca]

ecco adesso e' completo.

ps lui non e' admin su quel forum.
si scusa avevo omesso di scrivere che è del DB, comunque il succo del discorso non cambia :)

[pel]

ecco adesso e' completo.

ps lui non e' admin su quel forum.
ma dove è finito lo spirito di una volta..si aiutava quelli in difficoltà..
ma n mettete in giro ste notizie che poi volete solo l'esclusiva....troppi interessi sotto roby..
l'amico è stato oggetto di una contestazione forte sulla spiaggia , nn molto tempo fa..

[Grattachecca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odor_1RyOYs

e come per magia........ ( deki se non ricordo male non era o è un pezzo grosso nel mondo del Sat ? )

[dinodn]

Azzz.... e' sparito il filmato... roba che scotta.... ;-)

[robyuan]

ma dove è finito lo spirito di una volta..si aiutava quelli in difficoltà..
ma n mettete in giro ste notizie che poi volete solo l'esclusiva....troppi interessi sotto roby..
l'amico è stato oggetto di una contestazione forte sulla spiaggia , nn molto tempo fa..solo sulla playa.....forse non hai ltto da altre parti.

[Grattachecca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZ7hftx3QM&feature=youtu.be

[sparvierorosso]

a parola agli esperti per me e' troppo sfocato non riesco a leggere bene quello che appare della schermata....

[dinodn]

Non saro' un esperto, ma mi sembra che ci siamo....!! quel film corrisponde nella programmazione di oggi... ed usa una black ole recente... inoltre se ne parla anche in un'altro forum... :dahka:

[Grattachecca]

Sembra che il video sia stato girato in un negozio in svizzera nel Canton Zurigo.... così dicono, inoltre sto aspettando che mi girino un video di Deki che avevo postato qualche giorno fa e subito rimosso dall'autore del video.
Cmq qualcosa si sta muovendo

[robyuan]

in quello di deki non si vedeva un acacio....
questo ultimo e' girato in un negozio mediamarket su un vu solo
il piu' piccolo quello da 333mhz

[biaginus]

senbra che abbia una mgcam client che riceva da una linea gbox , puo anche darsi che abbia il thonson nel retro a fare da server , in ogni caso credo che a breve avremo buone nuove ,,,

[robyuan]

forse! ma certamente non a gratisse!!!!

[sparvierorosso]

...di sicuro ...hahah vedremo a che prezzo se e' vero.

[yotaeai]

Io per ora mi accontento del fatto che Eurosport HD sia comunque visibile in italiano...
Almeno il Giro d'Italia possiamo continuare a godercelo in alta definizione...
Tra quello e Supertennis HD devo dire che buona parte della mia fame sportiva è appagata...
Poi per i playoff NBA ci sono i provider esteri (tanto il commento in inglese mi va benissimo), per le coppe europee c'è la rete svizzera...
Insomma, con un pò di pazienza ci si può convivere...

[biaginus]

in giro si sono sparse foto , e video di gente che vede sky hd , ora parlano di un sito arabo . se avete novita postatele ...

[Grattachecca]

Chi di voi conosce l'Arabo:
xxx://www.startimes.com
Con google Chrome potete tradurlo...... comnque si parla di una Doscam e di tante supposizioni.

[biaginus]

si nsta girando la rete , doscam e una emu che apre molti canali hd chiusi la usano per gli hd di tnt in francia , riconosce in automatico la card e una delle sue caratteristiche si puo scaricare da panello ad , chi ha la card di sky puo provare se fungono gli hd su dreambox , per il resto se sei client no puoi fare molto

[sparvierorosso]

io ne avevo sentito parlare tempo fa ma non sono riuscito a trovarla se qualcuno la trova lo dica...sarebbe interessante vederla.

[Grattachecca]

919+Doscam+Xtrend9200 = Buio pesto...
Sicuramente bisogna dettare qualcosa... ma cosa ?

[enzo]

Si parla di Doscam ma non la comune che si trova senza problemi, riconfigurata e adattata ad hoc

[Grattachecca]

Se qualcuno vuol testare..
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istalla questo ipk che e' x bhole


Download DoscamV019_bh.zip from Sendspace.com - send big files the easy way (http://www.sendspace.com/file/7t32ix)


DoscamV019 per immagine BH
Funziona come EMU anche per TNTSAT (Astra 19,2) oltre alla cioccolata e Austriasat.
LEGGE LA CARD TVSAT IN AUTOMATICO SENZA BISOGNO DI CONFIGURARE NESSUN READER
I file di configurazione sono in etc/tuxbox/config/doscam

In questa versione di doscam il file doscam.cfg contiene al suo interno i tradizionali file doscam.conf, doscam.server e doscam.user.

Istruzioni:


Scomapttare il file
Mettere il file .ipk in /tmp e installare da pannello BH
Prima di avviare la cam sostituire il file oscam.k€ys in etc/tuxbox/config/doscam con quello allegato (l'originale era solo per TNT France)
Avviare la cam "

[tallatan]

provata la doscam con una prepagata apre i canali sky ma non gli hd

[enzo]

provata la doscam con una prepagata apre i canali sky ma non gli hd

Quella sopra? perche stavo pensando anche io a prendere una prepagata per prove

[dinodn]

Anche nell'altro forum purtroppo...dicono la stessa cosa... non gli HD .

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 utilizzando Tapatalk

[enzo]

Leggevo un po di tempo fa di progressi fatti con Mgcamd, oggi se ne e parlato anche dal corvone per chi conosce, a prendere per quel che vale........chi vivra verra

[paprica]

Ragazzi tutto cio' che ci fanno vedere in rete non corrisponde mai al 100% la verita'.

Sono certo che gli sviluppatori hanno concentrato tutta la loro attenzione nei decoder thomson dsi 310 hd e amstrad 2307 hd inoltre il philips anch'esso sembra al momento essere sottoposto a dei test. Questo e' cio' che emerso da un incontro che ho avuto diversi giorni fa' con un amico rivenditore.

La stranda e' in salita penso che tutti noi ne siamo convinti. Ma io credo che avremo sviluppi al piu' presto.

Per quanto riguarda i forum arabi della possibille soluzione? ci andrei con cautela possibile ampliare una ricerca traendo materiale informativo.

Buona domenica a tutti

La doscam e' simile a oscam, solamente che legge il softcamkey

Gia' testata non funge per gli hd:evilish:

[enzo]

E che cacchio ho conservato pioneer e philips per anni, e adesso che li ho buttati poche settimane fa si ipotizza qualcosa sul philips :pissedoff:
Il forum dynamit ha chiuso purtroppo, li per quando riguarda i philips qualcosa di seria si sarebbe saputo

[Marte_57]

mai buttare nulla!!!
pigl e miett ‘ngopp ‘o suppign!! :D

[robyuan]

E che cacchio ho conservato pioneer e philips per anni, e adesso che li ho buttati poche settimane fa si ipotizza qualcosa sul philips :pissedoff:
Il forum dynamit ha chiuso purtroppo, li per quando riguarda i philips qualcosa di seria si sarebbe saputo
si chiuso. ricordi che te l'ho segnalato tempo fa? chissa se queste notizie in Lettonia sono giunte?, magari riaprira'.

[paprica]

E' davvero così difficile estrarre le chiavi per emulare un ricevitore esistente o i maghi del sat si sono stufati e stanno lavorando a qualcosa di più divertente?

Cosa succede nel resto d'europa?

E in Germania? Com'è la situazione nella patria dei Dreambox
E pensare che per mettere d'accordo tutti basterebbe avere una CAM.
Quali sarebbero i possibili reali rischi (per Sky) nel rilasciare una CAM?
Perché è così restia nel farlo?

Alla domanda esiste una una cifratura inviolabile?
risposta breve "SI"
risposta lunga "NO","a patto che qualcuno v'ho voglia rompere questa codifica"

[Grattachecca]

Ciao Paprica. Provo a rispondere a qualche tuo dubbio secondo il mio punto di vista.
Estrazioni chiavi: No non è così difficile ma ci vogliono soldi e strumenti per farlo ( io non ho n'è uno ne l'altro per farlo e anche se ne avessi non ne sarei in grado :) )
Nel resto d'Europa cosa succede ? : penso quello che sta succedendo qui e cioè tutti attaccati ai vari pay server che promettono luce e prosperità, tranne la Germania patria della Dream e dei migliori Decoder li con tutta tranquillità dichiarano che per vedere il cielo usano box alternativi.
Cam unica ? : sky non rilascerà mai la Cam unica in quanto ritenuta molto facile da violare...
cifratura inviolabile ? Non esiste ma la realtà è che solo in pochi sono in grado di violarla e probabilmente questi pochi sanno già chi sono e quindi mezzi avvisati.
Morale della favola: personalmente spero che i giochi finiscano in fretta perchè è diventato uno schifo generale. Troppi pay che ci lucrano sopra. Ai tempi del seka si studiava ci si confrontava tutta la notte e si testavano i risultati, ora sono tutti qui a chiedere il fix, la cam dei miracoli, il pay che apre il mondo. Gente disposta a pagare anche 100€ al mese solo x gli HD....... Ma scherziamo !!!! Ormai si studia solo per poter aprire il proprio pay ecc ecc ma a nessuno interessa come in realtà funzionano le cose.
Rivedremo gli HD ? Forse SI preparatevi a pagare però......

[paprica]

Apprezzo molto la tua considerazione. Certo che ricordo bene e' da circa 15 anni che sto' nel mondo del sat. certamente adesso e' diventato uno schifo come tu asserisci. no dimentichiamo che ci sono in ballo le case produttrici e' non penso che starrano con le mani in mano. Questo e' quello che io penso...........................Speriamo bene alla prossima

[louiz]

Io non credo sia uno 'schifo' altrimenti lo era già 15 anni fa quando giravano wafer come al mercato. È sempre stato ad alti e bassi, quando incomincia ad essere troppo facile ( voi dite 'schifo' ) chiudono un po' i rubuietti e poi si ricomincia. Io credo che ci fanno vedere solo quello che ci vogliono far vedere e quando vogliono loro perché ? Perché le strategie di mercato facondo in questo modo permettono di vendere di più.... É solo convenienza .... loro !


Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk

[Grattachecca]

Personalmente non paragonerei il mercato dei wafer a quello dello share..... Tizio ha il Server in luoghi lontani e da luce al mondo, le wafer erano un " mercato più nostrano" dove tutto restava " tra di noi " . Ma vuoi mettere i tempi delle c1 40, delle gemelle ecc ecc, con quello di adesso fatto solo di C, N ??
Il dato di fatto è che lo share ha ucciso lo studio e parlo io che sono diventato il più gnutant di tutti : D :D

[cilard]

Uahu le wafer....pic1684 e eprom nn ricordo...uahhhh negli ultimi periodi di vita saltavano sistematicamente alle 14 di ogni domenica ahahah quanti ricordi

Inviato dal mio GT-I9300 utilizzando Tapatalk

[dinodn]

16F84 24LC16 se ricordo bene... azzz... la vecchiaia avanza...;-)

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 utilizzando Tapatalk

[enzo]

Tutti giovincelli qui eh ;)

[cilard]

Ahahha ehhh che brutta bestia la vecchiaia..... cmq si bravo @dinodn esattamente quelle ahahah correggo solo la 24c16 senza la elle se non sbaglio

Inviato dal mio GT-I9300 utilizzando Tapatalk

[biaginus]

a quanto pare zero novita ,,,

[mauretto]

...io vedo circolare in rete registrazioni di Gomorra in HD (registrate da Atlantic HD)... come è possibile?
Dal maiscai è impossibile scaricare, dagli scaibox impossibile registrare, dai dbox impossibile vedere gli HD.... mi sono perso qualcosa..?

[cilard]

Ieri ho parlato su skype con un tizio che fa sharing....mi ha confermato che lui a casa li vede già gli hd ma non cè al momento possibilità di shararli.

[dinodn]

Bene...cilard e la prossima domanda indovina quale e'???

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 utilizzando Tapatalk

[cilard]

Ehh.....la risposta mia è....non gli ho chiesto null'altro ...ero in auto mentre mi ha scritto :-(

[robyuan]

impossibile shararli . forse perche' li vede con lo skibox hahahaha

[cilard]

Ahahah vabbè ha associato il fatto che a breve tornano gli hd al fatto che lui già li vede. :-)

[pupobiondo]

Considerazioni tutte interessanti, però io al momento non riesco a farne, però come dite voi essendo un pò vecchietto ricordo che anche ai tempi del 24LC16 cè stato sempre chi voleva guadagnare e chiedeva 10.000 lire per un aggiornamento scheda dove le chiavi saltavano sempre in prossimità delle partite fu proprio questo fatto che mi spinse a cominciare a capire erano i tempi dell'irdeto di stream con i file CRD

[enzo]

Possono cambiare 1000 codifiche si cerchera sempre di intubarli, e ci sara sempre chi lucrera sulla cosa, c'est la vie ;)
Qui siamo su un forum che fa anche il server :), ma almeno ha "l'onesta" di dichiararlo, senza l'ipocrizia che regna in certi forum nostrani

[pupobiondo]

Possono cambiare 1000 codifiche si cerchera sempre di intubarli, e ci sara sempre chi lucrera sulla cosa, c'est la vie ;)
Qui siamo su un forum che fa anche il server :), ma almeno ha "l'onesta" di dichiararlo, senza l'ipocrizia che regna in certi forum nostrani
come non darti ragione:TT TT:

[biaginus]

tutto giusto raga

[Colinf]

tutto giusto raganemmeno un errore?bravo biaginus

[biaginus]

cmq riguardo a hd sky le novita sono praticamente nulle ,,,, non se ne parla piu non si srnte piu nulla voi avete notizie a riguardo

[enzo]

Non se ne parla piu? e che forum frequenti, le cazzate scorrono sempre uguale non temere, e spuntano sempre nuovi guru e nuovi filmati ;)

[biaginus]

si ma non servono a nulla .parlavo di qualcosa di concreto ,

[cilard]

Se ci rifletto, effettivamente son già 7 mesi che mancano gli hd , e paragonando le discussioni di dicembre 2013 a quelle di maggio 2013 non ci sono differenze sostanziali nei discorsi. Brutto segno

[biaginus]

Sky cambia codifica

24 April 2014SKIT-DSN-1969 2.00
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P r o x imi t y Con t r o l
Multi-room CA Proximity
Control
Feature Specification
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Total pages: 39
Doc. Title: Proximity Control
Multi-room CA Proximity Control
Feature Specification
Doc. No.: SKIT-DSN-1969 Classification: Confidential
Revision: 2.00 Restriction: NDS and Sky Italia
Date: 24 April 2014 Customer: Sky Italia
Owner: Max Sorkin Reviewers/
Approvers:
Julia Rabinovich
Moti Glick
Robert Noah
Ronen Rosenson
Author: Max Sorkin
Mike Steiner
Nadav Ramati
Contents
SKIT-DSN-1969 2.00
Confidential
Proximity Control
Multi-room CA Proximity Control: Feature Specification
Page 3
Contents
1 Preface .................................................. .................................................. ...............6
1.1 Abstract .................................................. .................................................. ............... 6
1.2 Purpose of This Document .................................................. ................................. 6
1.3 Using This Document .................................................. ......................................... 6
1.4 Applicability..................................... .................................................. .................... 6
1.5 References .................................................. .................................................. ........... 7
1.6 Terminology .................................................. .................................................. ....... 7
2 Solution Overview .................................................. ............................................9
2.1 Customer Requirements - STB .................................................. ........................... 9
2.1.1 Requirements for support of Companion Devices - Future ........... 9
2.2 Assumptions .................................................. .................................................. .... 10
2.3 General Description .................................................. .......................................... 10
2.3.1 Subscriber Management .................................................. .................. 10
2.3.2 Peer Definition .................................................. .................................. 10
2.3.3 Home network fingerprint .................................................. .............. 10
2.3.4 Proximity Check .................................................. ............................... 11
2.3.5 Periodic reportback .................................................. .......................... 12
2.3.6 Countermeasures - future .................................................. ............... 13
3 End-to-End Design .................................................. ..........................................14
3.1 External Interfaces .................................................. ............................................. 17
3.2 Subsystem requirements .................................................. .................................. 17
3.2.1 Headend .................................................. ............................................ 17
3.2.2 STB .................................................. .................................................. .... 18
3.3 Support for Companion Devices - future .................................................. ....... 18
3.3.1 Design .................................................. ................................................ 18
3.3.2 DTCP-IP RTT test .................................................. ............................. 19
4 Operator Use Cases .................................................. .........................................20
4.1 Configure Global Parameters .................................................. .......................... 20
4.1.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 20
4.1.2 Preconditions .................................................. .................................... 20
4.1.3 Post-conditions .................................................. ................................. 21
4.1.4 Flow of Events .................................................. ................................... 21
4.2 Create Household .................................................. .............................................. 22
4.2.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 22
4.2.2 Preconditions .................................................. .................................... 22
4.2.3 Post-conditions .................................................. ................................. 22
4.2.4 Flow of events .................................................. ................................... 22
4.3 Add Subscriber to Household & Enable Proximity Control in STB ............. 23
4.3.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 23
4.3.2 Preconditions .................................................. .................................... 23
4.3.3 Post-conditions .................................................. ................................. 23
4.3.4 Flow of Events .................................................. ................................... 23
Contents
SKIT-DSN-1969 2.00
Confidential
Proximity Control
Multi-room CA Proximity Control: Feature Specification
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4.4 Remove Subscriber from Household .................................................. .............. 24
4.4.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 24
4.4.2 Preconditions .................................................. .................................... 24
4.4.3 Post-conditions .................................................. ................................. 24
4.4.4 Flow of Events .................................................. ................................... 24
5 Internal use cases .................................................. ............................................25
5.1 STB registration in UHE – SAC1/2 establishment ........................................... 25
5.1.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 25
5.1.2 Pre-conditions .................................................. ................................... 25
5.1.3 Post Conditions .................................................. ................................. 25
5.1.4 Flow of events .................................................. ................................... 26
5.2 Send Report to Headend .................................................. .................................. 27
5.2.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 27
5.2.2 Preconditions .................................................. .................................... 27
5.2.3 Post-conditions .................................................. ................................. 27
6 STB Use Cases .................................................. .................................................2 8
6.1 Trigger STB to check whether Proximity Control is Enabled........................ 28
6.1.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 28
6.1.2 Precondition .................................................. ...................................... 28
6.1.3 Post- Conditions .................................................. ............................... 28
6.1.4 Flow of events .................................................. ................................... 28
6.2 Proximity Check .................................................. ................................................ 29
6.2.1 Description .................................................. ........................................ 29
6.2.2 Preconditions .................................................. .................................... 29
6.2.3 Post-conditions .................................................. ................................. 29
6.2.4 Flow of Events .................................................. ................................... 30
7 Proximity Check Configuration Parameters ................................................31
7.1 Proximity Configuration Parameters........................................ ........................ 32
7.1.1 Max RTT .................................................. ............................................ 32
7.1.2 Time Windows .................................................. .................................. 32
7.1.3 Parameters Delivery and Processing ............................................... 33
8 Proximity diagnostics .................................................. .....................................34
8.1 Information about this device .................................................. .......................... 34
8.2 Information about peer devices .................................................. ....................... 34
Appendix A SMS->EMMG protocol changes ...........................................35
A.1 Proximity parameters configuration .................................................. ............... 35
A.2 Trigger immediate proximity reportback .................................................. ...... 36
Appendix B Proximity report data format .................................................3 7
Change History........................................... .................................................. .............38
List of Tables
Table 1 References .................................................. .................................................. ........... 7
Table 2 Terminology .................................................. .................................................. ....... 7
Table 3 Component Descriptions .................................................. .................................. 15
Table 4 External Interfaces .................................................. ............................................. 17
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Table 5 Proximity Configuration Parameters........................................ ........................ 31
Table 6 Device information diagnostics .................................................. ....................... 34
Table 7 Peer STB diagnostics information .................................................. ................... 34
Table 8 Proximity Control Definition .................................................. ........................... 35
Table 9 Trigger proximity reportback. T020 DataToIRD format ................................ 36
Table 10 Proximity r eport data format .................................................. ........................... 37
List of Figures
Figure 1 Proximity Check Timeline .................................................. ................................ 12
Figure 2 High-level Components .................................................. ................................... 14
Figure 3 Proximity Control – ‘Headend Use Cases’ Use Case Diagram .................... 20
Figure 4 ‘Configure Global Parameters’ Sequence Diagram ........................................ 21
Figure 5 Create Household. Sequence diagram .................................................. ........... 22
Figure 6 Add Subscriber to Household .................................................. ......................... 23
Figure 7 Remove Subscriber from Household .................................................. .............. 24
Figure 8 STB Registration. Sequence Diagram .................................................. ............. 26
Figure 9 ‘Proximity Check’ Sequence Diagram .................................................. ............ 30
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1.1 Abstract
Sky Italia offers its subscribers a Multivision deal where subscribers to having
multiple STBs for a single home are offered discounted rates for multiple STBs.
However, without the necessary provisions, this business model may be exploited
by a subscriber and/or a third-party dealer by distributing the discounted STBs
amongst several individual homes.
This document outlines the end-to-end architecture for an IP-based solution to
combat this exploit. By allowing the Sky Italia to designate STBs to a specific
household, each STB can determine if it is within reasonable physical proximity of
a peer STB on a local home network, and enforce Sky Italia Multivision policy.
Also, with the increasing ubiquity of companion devices such as tablets, Sky Italia
has also requested to enforce proximity control also for companion devices in a
home. Proposed solution answers this additional requirement.
Note Support of unmanaged devices will not be included in the first release.
1.2 Purpose of This Document
The purpose of this document is to describe the end-to-end architecture and
design for the proposed solution.
1.3 Using This Document
This document shall be used by Cisco project teams and Sky Italia to understand
the end-to-end architecture for the solution.
1.4 Applicability
The solution is applicable to IP enabled STB devices connected to one another via
a home network. The home network must include an IP router.
Although the overall design described in this document may be applicable to a
variety of consumer devices, the scope of this document is limited to address
Proximity Control between STB devices in a multi-room environment.
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1.5 References
Table 1 lists documents and other reference sources containing information that
may be essential to understanding topics in this document.
Table 1 References
Designation Title
1. External document DTCP Volume 1 Supplement E Mapping DTCP to IP Revision
1.4 (Informational Version)
2. SKIT-T-020 SMS – EMMG protocol
1.6 Terminology
Table 2 provides a short glossary of any terms crucial to the understanding of this
document, and lists the acronyms and abbreviations used in the document.
Table 2 Terminology
Term Definition
EMM Entitlement Management Message
EMMG Entitlement Management Message Generator
Final RTT The lowest valued RTT from a batch of multiple, consecutive
proximity tests.
Home Network An ordinary Ethernet LAN in one of the following configurations:
 A wired network where all hosts are connected to the same
default gateway through a hub or a switch; or
 A wireless network where all hosts are connected to the
same default gateway through a wireless access point in the
infrastructure mode; or
 A combination of a. and b.
Note
These configurations assume that all hosts in the network
are on the same IP subnet.
Household (HH) A physical location where multiple STB devices are connected to
each other via an Ethernet network switch. The STBs in a
household must reside on the same network segment. Also, an
entity in UPM containing the list of device sharing the same
domain k€ys.
ICD Interface Control Document
Last Success Time The time and date of the last successful proximity check was
performed.
Maximum RTT Threshold
(Max RTT)
The maximum roundtrip time (RTT) permissible between 2 STB
devices to achieve a successful proximity test.
Network footprint A set of parameters identifying a home network environment,
e.g. home router MAC address, external IP address, etc.
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Term Definition
Peers A group of STB devices that are supposed to be connected to the
same home network and monitored for proximity.
Peer List A list of IP hosts (peers) identified by a UPnP discovery process
Proximity Control A term used to describe the feature used to detect if 2 STBs are
within reasonable physical proximity of one another.
PCS Proximity Control Service - a Sky Italia server that receives
Proximity reports sent by STBs.
Proximity Check A routine periodically performed by initiating multiple proximity
tests with various peers. The result of a proximity check is
referred to as the proximity status.
Proximity Test A secure “handshake” used by a Cisco STB device to authenticate
another peer Cisco STB device. The proximity test also
determines the latency between the 2 peers (RTT).
Proximity State The status, i.e., result, of a proximity check.
RTT Roundtrip Time. The term refers to the amount of time it takes
for an STB to successfully perform a proximity check with a peer
STB. A high latency RTT may indicate foul play.
SAC Secure Authenticated Channel
A channel of communication, where all messages are signed and
encrypted, and where both peers (and their k€ys) are mutually
authorized.
Shared Domain k€y
(SDK)
A secret k€y which is shared with all STBs in a household, and
securely delivered to each STB respectively.
STB Chipset A zerialized chipset containing a secrets protected by Cisco Chip
zerialization services
UDK Unique Device k€y. This k€y is used to encrypt device-specific
data.
UDKC Unique Device k€y Challenge
UPnP Universal Plug n Play
VIP Verifier Information Packet
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2.1 Customer Requirements - STB
 Sky Italia shall be capable of reasonably ensuring that multiple STB devices
on a home network are used only within the same home network.
 The proximity check shall be reasonably secured against exploitation.
 The solution shall provide Sky Italia back office with sufficient information
for deciding whether to grant a Multivision discount to a user.
The information shall be provided in a secure manner over a secure link
between the STBs and the Headend
 The system shall scale easily to support a large sized network.
2.1.1 Requirements for support of Companion Devices - Future
Note For these, an STB will be a reference point.
 In order to support the companion device proximity check it is suggested to
use DTCP-IP RTT test
 Sky Italia will have to purchase DTCP-IP certificates from DTCP Licensing
Authority (DTLA) to be used by the STBs and ingest them into Cisco
Headend
 All STBs in a home will be able to play a role of DTCP-IP server
2.1.1.1 Requirements for the companion devices
Note Companion device software will not be developed by Cisco, therefore
Cisco is not responsible for the proximity control enforcement by these
devices.
 Companion device shall be able to discover a Cisco STB on the home network
using standard UPnP discovery mechanisms
 Companion device shall support DTCP-IP protocol
 After success of a DTCP RTT test with a discovered STB the companion
device shall extract the STB DTCP device ID. The system that manages the
companion device shall be able to identify whether the reported DTCP device
ID is associated with the desired household.
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2.2 Assumptions
 Devices will be capable of communication with one another using TCP/IP
protocol
 The home network will have a single router device.
 The home network will properly support standard DHCP protocol.
 The home network will support UPnP protocol.
 The hardware and software of peer STBs devices is trusted.
 All non-Cisco elements of the home network are not trusted.
 The home network will be connected to the broadcaster’s head-end by IP
connection via home router.
2.3 General Description
The main functionality for the system includes the following elements:
2.3.1 Subscriber Management
Sky Italia creates a household entity for each Multivision household containing
STB devices requiring Proximity Control.
Sky Italia associates CA Subscribers with a specific household. This may be
performed when creating or modifying a subscriber in the Cisco Headend.
2.3.2 Peer Definition
The Cisco Headend system automatically generates and securely provides a
“Shared Domain k€y” and other complimentary data elements (used for
configuration, etc.) to each STB, when it’s added to a household.
Each STB generates a peer list by means of UPnP-based discovery mechanism.
Only devices of type STB are listed. The peer-list is dynamically managed by each
individual STB on the home network. After submitting a report to the Headend
STB resets the peer list.
2.3.3 Home network fingerprint
The STB client gathers the fingerprint of the network that it is operating in. This
may include:
 The STB’s own IP and Mac addresses
 Default gateway’s internal IP and MAC addresses
 IP and MAC addresses of identified STB peers
This information is used in the Headend to check whether all the STBs are
reporting from the same network environment.
The STB submits the fingerprint of its home network to the Headend while the
Headend records the source IP address of the fingerprint.
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2.3.4 Proximity Check
Each STB device performs periodic proximity checks with all peers that appear in
its list and are discovered by this STB in the home network. The STB manages the
peer list the proximity check status for each peer. The proximity check status
could be:
 Peer discovered and proximity check succeeded
 Peer discovered and proximity check failed
 RTT above threshold
 Ping failed (TTL exhausted)
The STB checks for the available STB peers on the network using UPnP discovery.
In addition the STB support the UPnP subscription mechanism which notifies the
STB when a peer has become available on the network.
Proximity check invokes multiple proximity tests over the LAN with each peer in
the peer list. The proximity tests are performed over a Secure Authenticated Channel
(SAC).
The purpose of the proximity check is to authenticate the peer, and reliably measure
the round-trip time (RTT) between the source and destination peers.
The proximity check limits the TTL (Time-To-Live) to three hops in order to
prevent use of VPN tunnels as a mean to bypass the proximity check for STBs
which are not in the household.
If the proximity check succeeds so that the RTT with a particular peer is within the
permissible threshold (n milliseconds), the positive result for this peer is recorded
by the source STB. The threshold value may be configured globally.
 Secure Authenticated Channel (SAC)
 Authenticates the peer to ensure the peer is a genuine STB provided by
the Sky Italia, and a valid member of the household
 Offers an encrypted communication path between STB peers to perform
proximity tests.
 Proximity Test
 Accurately measures the roundtrip-time (RTT) between the source and
destination peer
 Performed multiple times concurrently during each proximity check. The
success or failure result is reported to MW. MW may query the actual
RTT of the test.
 Performed periodically in accordance with the peer’s IP connectivity
status. The frequency of proximity check may be increased in the event
of failed proximity check.
 Test results are stored securely in a sustainable storage so that it will be
available after a STB power-off or standby.
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Figure 1 describes the proximity check timeline:
Timeline
PT OK PT NOK
PT – Proximity test
PT OK PT OK
State = “Suspected”
Display warming period
PT NOK PT NOK
Show Warning
OSD
PT NOK PT OK
State = “Normal Operation”
Submit immediate report
Remove OSD
Normal operation
Immediate report sent to HE
Option: User is notified by non blocking OSD
Show Warning
OSD
Normal operation
Submit periodic report
Normal operation
Submit periodic report
PT NOK PT NOK
Validity Window
Figure 1 Proximity Check Timeline
2.3.5 Periodic reportback
Each STB submits proximity state reports to the Headend over secure connection
(SAC2). The report includes the following information:
 STB and household identity
Note Domain_id (which is not same as Household ID in UPM) is reported as the
household identity. This allows Sky Italia Headend component to group
reports belonging to the same household.
However, this ID can not be used for querying (or exporting) household
information from UPM. If full UPM household information is required, it
can be queried using STB ID of any of the STBs belonging to the
household.
 Network fingerprint
 Proximity test results since the previous report
 Proximity test status per discovered peer
 Last time of successful proximity test per peer.
The report is sent as a payload of HTTP POST message. The format of the message
is described in see Appendix B Proximity report data format.
In addition, PCS shall retrieve the home router external IP address from XFF
HTTP header.
The reports are submitted:
 Periodically, e.g. once a week
 Immediately in the case a proximity test with at least one of the peers failed,
i.e. RTT is greater than the threshold, or failed because of TTL
 Immediately in case the proximity state succeeds after being unsuccessful.
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If the STB fails to send a report, it will keep collecting the information and retry
sending the report every [N] minutes until it succeeds.
The reports are stored in Sky Italia Proximity Control Service (PCS), from where
they can be used by Sky Italia for further analysis.
Based on the information in the reports Sky Italia may take an action:
 In case not all STBs submitted reports – send OSD to all STBs requesting to
connect the STB to the network
 In case of proximity test failure or reports having different network
fingerprints – cancel Multivision discount (perhaps after sending a warning,
etc.)
2.3.6 Countermeasures - future
An STB which has entered the “Suspected” state will trigger a proximity report
submission, and in addition, may display a dismissible OSD warning about
Multivision rules breaking. The OSD text may advise the consumer on methods to
remedy the problem.
STB configuration controls whether such an OSD should be displayed.
The validity period of the proximity checks shall be configurable.
If configured to use the warning OSD:
 The warning period is configurable
 The warning OSD will be dismissible during this period
 The warning OSD will be displayed in a periodic fashion
 The warning OSD frequency will be configurable.
While in suspected or not connected states, the STB will increase the rate at which
it performs proximity checks in order to facilitate a timely recovery once the
problem has been solved.
Once the problem is solved and a successful proximity check occurs, the STB will
automatically remove the OSD and submit a proximity report with the updated
state to the Headend.
The STB will not apply any sanctions that block TV viewing. It is up to Sky Italia
Headend to apply sanctions such as canceling Multivision discount or blocking
the viewing.
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Figure 2 shows the high-level components that participate in Multi-room CA
Proximity Control:
Unmanaged Unmanaged IIPP NNeettwwoorrkk
SMS EUS
SGW
Define Household
SAC
SAC
Retrieve SDK
Submit report
EMMG EMMs
- HH Mgmt
- Config params
DRMS
- Registration
- SAC1,2
UPM
Retrieve/modify HH and device info
VGS AUS
VSCC
Proximity Control Service
- Headend Evaluation()
Proximity Report
OOppeerraattoorr RReeppoorrttss
Home Network
STB +
DRM-A
STB +
DRM-A
UPnP &
Proximity Check
(SAC4)
STB +
DRM-A
UPnP &
Proximity Check (SAC4)
UPnP &
Proximity Check (SAC4)
Home Router
UPnP &
Proximity Check
(DTCP-IP)
Companion
Comdpeavniicoen
device
SDLLG
- DTCP certificates
ingest and storage
Figure 2 High-level Components
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Table 3 describes the components depicted in Figure 2 above.
Table 3 Component Descriptions
Component Description
SMS The Cisco customer’s SMS. It shall support the ability to manage
the Multivision households – Create, Add or Remove STBs, Delete.
Furthermore, the SMS may activate/deactivate the Proximity
Control feature by authorizing/reauthorizing a named parameter
EMMs and setting of personal bits.
The SMS may also toggle the countermeasure functionality by
enabling/disabling a predefined Personal Region Bit.
SMS may trigger an immediate STB report of the proximity state.
SMS may send OSD to be displayed on the STBs belonging to a
household.
EMMG Receives and stores subscriber provisioning data from the SMS.
STB STB devices are connected to the same home network via an
Ethernet-based medium.
The STB implements the following functionality:
 Dynamically manages a peer list using UPnP-based discovery
 Authenticates peers by using SDK to establish a SAC4
 Performs periodic proximity checks to determine physical
proximity to the required number of peers
 Performs reportbacks to the Headend via SGW – periodic or
immediate
 Implements countermeasure if final elapsed time is has
exceeded (optional, configurable)
Home Network A consumer’s Ethernet LAN, consisting of a single network subnet
connected to a single default gateway (home router).
All STB devices connected to a single home network are considered
to be in reasonable physical proximity of one another.
Home Router An untrusted, third-party hardware device which allows for a single
Internet connection to be shared between multiple devices in a
household.
The Home Router provides DHCP services to the devices on the
home network. The Home Router shall allow UPnP.
Broadcast Network This is the Sky Italia one-way digital broadcast network and EMM
delivery path.
SGW Responsible for establishing a client/server SAC1 and SAC2 secure
channel Interface) based on client authentication
DRM Server The DRM Server supports STB proximity client registration in the
Headend.
Delivers Shared Domain k€y and hardened DTCP certificate to STBs
in a household.
Provides DTCP certificate to UPM to support refresh on the client
side.
SDLLG Stores DTCP certificates received from the License Authority. A
certificate is provided to DRMS upon STB registration.
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Component Description
EUS EMM-UPM Synchronizer synchronizes the household state managed
by SMS in EMMG with the UPM.
UPM User Profile Management stores the household information
Proximity Control
Service (PCS)
A Sky Italia server that receives and stores STB proximity reports.
These reports are used by Sky Italia for data mining.
The server is placed behind the SGW, so the communication
between the STB and PCS is authenticated and encrypted.
Companion device
(none or more)
Discovers an STB in the home network. Checks the proximity to
that STB using DTCP-IP RTT test.
NDS is not responsible for the Companion device application,
therefore it is up to Sky Italia to define the Multi-room
enforcement rules for the companion devices.
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3.1 External Interfaces
Table 4 describes the external interfaces throughout the system.
Table 4 External Interfaces
Participants Interface Description
SMS<->EMMG SKIT-T-020 Used by Sky Italia to provision subscribers and
households, activate/deactivate Proximity
Control, and send OSD messages to STBs.
Also allows sending immediate Proximity
Reportback trigger.
Headend Operator ->
EMMG
SKIT-T-020 A Headend Operator can tweak the following
global configuration parameters related to
Proximity Control:
 Maximum RTT Threshold
 Proximity Time windows
 Reportback configuration
STB<->Router Ethernet The network interface is used for DHCP, UPnP
peer discovery and proximity checks.
STB registration with Cisco Headend and reports
are sent to the Headend over IP via the Router.
3.2 Subsystem requirements
3.2.1 Headend
1. Support Household management in EMMG
2. Support Household information synchronization between EMMG and UPM
3. Support STB registration in UPM using STB chip security
4. Support SAC2 handling
5. Support proximity reports
 Reception over SAC2
 Storing the reports persistently
6. Allow Sky Italia tools to retrieve and delete the submitted proximity reports
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3.2.2 STB
1. Support registration in the UPM using chip security
2. Support proximity check functionality as defined in this document
 Proximity state, including the peer list, management
The proximity test results shall be stored persistently in the STB between
the reportbacks, keeping the data through STB power cycles and/or SC
removals/insertions.
 Peer discovery
 Proximity check based on RTT/TTL over SAC4 with the peers
 Submission of proximity reports to Proximity Control Service in the
Headend over SAC2.
3.3 Support for Companion Devices - future
3.3.1 Design
3.3.1.1 Cisco Headend
 DTCP IP certificates shall be received from the License Authority and will be
ingested into the Headend
 On STB registration a DTCP certificate from the pool will be delivered to the
STB
 Headend will extract the DTCP device ID and other certificate information
from the certificate and store it in the UPM within the registered STB record
 UPM will make this DTCP device ID available for querying. Alternatively,
UPM could export this information.
3.3.1.2 Client side
 The clients will discover a STB via UPnP/DLNA.
 Clients will run DTCP-IP RTT test against the STB.
 Clients will extract the DTCP device ID from the certificate provided by the
STB
 Client shall be able to check whether this DTCP device ID is associated with
the desired household, either by looking up a list of allowed IDs managed
within the application, or by sending a request to an Application server.
 Sky Italia back office shall be able to query Cisco Headend household
information to retrieve a list of DTCP device IDs of the STBs
 Client will examine the result of the above test and take the defined action.
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3.3.2 DTCP-IP RTT test
For the details of the test see section V1SE 10.5 of the external document “DTCP
Volume 1 Supplement E Mapping DTCP to IP Revision 1.4 (Informational
Version)”.
Note According to the DTCP-IP specification, a DTCP source function should
keep an RTT registry of devices that have performed successfully RTT.
This means that, once the RTT is passed, RTT will not be performed on
subsequent AKE until the sink device is removed from the registry. By
default, this occurs after 40 hours of content transmission
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4 Operator Use Cases
This section describes the main use cases relevant to the Sky Italia. The use cases
are summarized in Figure 3 below, and described in the later sections of this
chapter.
Figure 3 Proximity Control – ‘Headend Use Cases’ Use Case Diagram
4.1 Configure Global Parameters
4.1.1 Description
A Cisco Engineer may configure various global parameters that impact the
behavior of Proximity Control, as outlined in table 5 “Proximity Configuration
Parameters.”
4.1.2 Preconditions
Proximity Control behavior is enabled in EMMG global configuration
uc Headend use cases
Cisco UHE
EMMG
(from Headend)
Create New Household
SMS
(from
Actors)
(from Headend)
Add Subscriber to HH
(from Headend)
Remov e Subscriber
from HH
HE Operator
(from
Actors)
(from Headend)
Configure User
Parameters
(from Headend)
Activ ate/Deactiv ate
Proximity Control in
STB
Analyze reports
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4.1.3 Post-conditions
 EMMG generates a generally addressed EMM containing configuration data
 Variable (see below)
4.1.4 Flow of Events
Figure 4 ‘Configure Global Parameters’ Sequence Diagram
sd Configure User Parameters
HE Operator
(from Actors)
«resource»
EMMG Database
«component»
EMMG
STB
Cisco
Third Party
Cisco Resource
Legend
alt
[or]
opt if Proximity Control is == Enabled
Set Proximity
Configuration
Paramaters(Max RTT,
Time Unit ID, Number of
status levels, per each
status level: Level id,
Time window duration,
proximity check
repetiotion rate)
Generate
Config EMM()
The EMMG generates or updates a generally
addressed EMM containing the configuration
data.
Store EMM()
The EMMG stores the Named Parameter EMM
to the database.
Carousel
Config
EMM()
The EMM is transmitted to all STBs in the
population.
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4.2 Create Household
4.2.1 Description
Multivision enforcement is applicable only to STBs within the same household. If
there is no household provisioned in the Cisco Headend, Sky Italia SMS has to
define a household.
4.2.2 Preconditions
None
4.2.3 Post-conditions
 Household entity created
 “Shared Domain k€y” (SDK) generated and stored
4.2.4 Flow of events
The flow of events for create household is a generic one, but in case of Multivision
it triggers household creation in UPM.
Figure 5 shows the flow of household creation.
Figure 5 Create Household. Sequence diagram
sd Create New Household
SMS
«component»
EMMG
«resource»
EMMG Database
«component»
EUS
«component»
UPM
Cisco
Third Party
Cisco Resource
Legend
CreateHousehold()
StoreHouseholdInfo()
household_id()
GetHouseholdInfo()
CreateHousehold(household_id, stb_id)
GenerateSDK(household_id)
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4.3 Add Subscriber to Household & Enable Proximity Control
in STB
4.3.1 Description
Sky Italia adds to the household all the STBs (CA subscribers) of a Multivision
user.
By adding the subscriber to the household, the SMS authorizes the proximity
control feature by setting a region bit in the smart card on the STB. This is
achieved via a T020 interface between the SMS and EMMG. In this way, the SMS
can trigger an EMM to be played out to the target STB so that the region bit on its
smart card is set accordingly. The default value of this region bit on all smart
cards in all STBs is “0”- meaning proximity check is disabled. Setting of this
region bit is required in order for the STB to perform proximity control.
The region bit used for proximity control is bit 31 in area D.
4.3.2 Preconditions
 CA Subscriber is created
 Household is created
4.3.3 Post-conditions
 Subscriber is associated with household
 New STB is added to the household definition in UPM
 New STB registers in UPM via SGW and DRMS
 Proximity checks are performed by the STB.
4.3.4 Flow of Events
Figure 6 Add Subscriber to Household
sd Add Subscriber to M-v ision HH
SMS
(from Actors)
«component»
EMMG
«component»
EUS
«component»
UPM
«component» STB
SGW
«component»
DRMS
seq SAC1/SAC2 establishment
[Not yet registered in UHE]
Cisco
Third Party
Cisco Resource
Legend
AddSubscriberToHH(subscriber_id, household_id)
GetHouseholdInfo()
UpdateHouseholdInfo(household_id, stb_id)
EnableProximityCheck(ca_subscriber_id)
SendEMM()
GetnetworkFootprint()
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4.4 Remove Subscriber from Household
4.4.1 Description
Sky Italia removes a subscriber provisioned for Multivision from the relevant
household entity. This is achieved via a T020 interface between the SMS and
EMMG. In this way, the SMS can trigger an EMM to be played out to the target
STB so that the region bit on its smart card is set back to its default value of 0
(disabled).
4.4.2 Preconditions
 Subscriber is created
 Household is created
4.4.3 Post-conditions
 Subscriber is removed from household
 Proximity Control is disabled for subscriber
 STB is unregistered from the household in UHE
 DRMA in STB is deactivated
 STB stops sending proximity status reports to Headend
 STB is not discoverable by the peers in the home network.
4.4.4 Flow of Events
Figure 7 Remove Subscriber from Household
sd Remov e Subscriber from HH - 2
SMS
(from Actors)
«component»
EMMG
«component»
EUS
«component»
UPM
STB
Cisco
Third Party
Cisco Resource
Legend
RemoveSubscriberFromHH(household_id, subscriber_id)
GetHouseholdInfo()
UpdateHouseholdInfo(household_id, stb_id)
DisableProximityCheck(ca_subscriber_id)
SendEMM()
DeactivateDRMA()
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5 Internal use cases
5.1 STB registration in UHE – SAC1/2 establishment
5.1.1 Description
Proximity checks are performed over SAC4 allowing secure communication
between peer STBs.
Establishing SAC4 between the STBs requires STB being registered in UHE. STB
registration process includes one-off establishment of SAC1. At the end of SAC1
the STB receives an identity object that is used from this time and on for
establishing SAC2. The STB is using SAC2 in order to submit the proximity status
reports to the Headend.
The following flow describes the establishment of SAC1 and SAC2.
Note STB registration in the Headend is not directly related to the Multivision
enforcement. Rather, this registration, including SAC1/SAC2 provide an
infrastructure used by the STB for the proximity testing and reporting.
5.1.2 Pre-conditions
 A household is created in the EMMG and UHE.
 STB is a part of a household. STB information in the household include
STB_ID and Chip_ID which allows performing chip-based authentication
 zerialization data loaded for all STBs into UHE DB to support Chip ID based
authentication
5.1.3 Post Conditions
 STB is registered in the UHE and SAC2 is established and maintained
between the STB and the Headend
 The STB can establish SAC4 with the peers in the household for proximity
checks.
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5.1.4 Flow of events
Figure 8 STB Registration. Sequence Diagram
sd STB Registration
DRMA SGW VGS AUS - VSCC DRMS UPM
Open SAC1(deviceId =
ChipID)
Validate(challenge, response)
return(OK)
return (OK)
GetIdentityDiscoveryOverSAC1(STB ID, Chip ID)
GetHouseHold(STB ID)
return(householdId)
return(discovery request Security Object)
GetIdentifyOverSAC1(Chip ID, STB ID, Chip ID discovery response)
QueryDevice(STB ID)
return(householdId)
CreateSystemDeviceId()
Update(systemDeviceId)
CreateUserId(domainId, systemDeviceId)
return(identity Security Object)
Open SAC-2(identity cookie, challenge, response)
return(SAC-2 cookie)
Get Domain Info (SAC2 cookie, Devide Id, Domain Id)
Query Domain info(Device Id, Domain Id)
return(domain info: list of device ids, device types)
return(Domain info: lidt of device ids, device types)
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5.2 Send Report to Headend
5.2.1 Description
Every connected STB participating in Multivision will submit regular reports to
the Headend. The report contains the network fingerprint information and the
proximity test results.
The report is sent to the Headend over SAC2, to protect the report information.
STB will use “PCS” alias as a target for the reports.
The reports will be sent as a payload of HTTP POST message.
5.2.2 Preconditions
 STB is registered in the UPM
 STB is participating in Multivision, i.e. the respective personal bit is set in the
smartcard
 SAC2 is established
Note In the scope of this feature there is no specific requirement on whether
SAC2 shall be maintained at all times, or established just before the
report sending to the Headend.
 At least one of two conditions is met:
 Periodic report time has come, or
 A proximity test with at least one of the peers has either actually failed,
i.e. either the ping to a discovered peer didn’t reach the destination, or
RTT is above the threshold, or recovered from a failure.
5.2.3 Post-conditions
 Report has been submitted and stored in the Headend
 STB sets the time for the next report submission, according to the
configuration.
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6 STB Use Cases
6.1 Trigger STB to check whether Proximity Control is
Enabled
6.1.1 Description
The following scenarios will trigger the STB to check whether Proximity Control is
enabled or disabled.
6.1.2 Precondition
None
6.1.3 Post- Conditions
None
6.1.4 Flow of events
The following scenarios trigger the STB to check whether Proximity Control is
enabled or disabled:
1. On receipt of an EMM from the Headend to set/reset the Region Bit on the
smart card to enable / disable Proximity Control
2. After the STB is powered off and rebooted: it will check the Region Bit on the
Smart Card to determine whether Proximity Control is enabled or disabled
3. Smart card removal / insertion: the STB will check the Region Bit on the
Smart Card to determine whether Proximity Control is enabled or disabled
Note While the smartcard is removed the user can’t watch Sky Italia content.
The proximity check and reporting to the Headend are not performed.
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6.2 Proximity Check
6.2.1 Description
If the STB is enabled for proximity check, the STB periodically performs secure
proximity checks to enforce Sky Italia Multivision policy, as described in
Section 2.3.4 Proximity Check. Each STB must perform a successful proximity
check at least once within the defined period (i.e. proximity validity window) for STB
proximity to be considered non-suspect.
If the feature is enabled for a given STB and the proximity checks fail the STB shall
submit an immediate report to the Headend. Optionally, it may display a warning
dismissible OSD at a configurable frequency. Once the problem is solved STB
shall submit a report to the Headend and to clear the OSD if it is shown.
Note Currently the OSD will not be supported.
6.2.2 Preconditions
 Subscriber is provisioned with Proximity Control enabled.
 Subscriber has received all Proximity Control provisional data elements
 STB is connected to the home IP network
 UPnP is enabled in the home network
 STB has successfully registered and established SAC2 with the Headend.
6.2.3 Post-conditions
 Proximity state updated
 If test failed or reportback time period expired – report submitted to
Headend.
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6.2.4 Flow of Events
Figure 9 ‘Proximity Check’ Sequence Diagram
sd Proximity Check - M-v ision
:DRM Agent «system»
:Peer STB
Proximity Control
Service
STB SW
loop proximity check
[periodically according to configuration per time window]
loop for each discov eed peer
loop proximity test
[if SAC == established {and} iteration <= 50]
Get STB List()
STB List(STB Qty, Device IDs, Device Type)
UPnP Discovery or UPnP notification(ID, IP_address)
Filter UPnP list()
PerformProximityCheck()
Setup SAC with Peer IP()
Proximity Test()
Proximity Test Response(Status, RTT)
ProximityTest Response(Status, Final RTT)
UpdateProximityCheckState(ID, date_time, status)
[Proximity failed {or} reportback period expired]:SubmitReport()
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7 Proximity Check Configuration Parameters
Table 5 provides the configurable items for proximity control, describing each
configurable item, its range and default values.
In addition parameters configuration specification is detailed in section 7.1.
Table 5 Proximity Configuration Parameters
Configurable Item for
Proximity Control
Description Range Default Value Comments
Max RTT Threshold The maximum roundtrip time (RTT)
permissible between 2 STB devices
to achieve a successful proximity
test.
1-255 ms 7 ms Global and STB
specific.
Controlled by
System Engineers.
Note- a different
value should be set
for wired
connectivity and
wireless/mixed
connectivity
Proximity validity
window
The maximum time for a successful
proximity check to remain valid.
This is mapped to status level 0’s
time window duration defined
in 7.1.2 “Time Windows”
1-255 days 7 days Global and STB
specific.
Controlled by
System Engineers
Proximity check ratevalidity
window
The proximity check frequency while
in validity window.
This is mapped to status level 0’s
proximity check repetition rate
defined in 7.1.2 “Time Windows”
1-255 units
of 15 sec.
80 units
(=20 mins)
Global and STB
specific.
Controlled by
System Engineers
Proximity check ratedisplay
warning window
The proximity check frequency while
in warning time window.
This is mapped to status level 2’s
proximity check repetition rate
defined in 7.1.2 “Time Windows”
1-255 units
of 15 sec.
100 units (=25
mins)
Global and STB
specific.
Controlled by
System Engineers
Periodic repeat rate of
warning message
The rate for displaying a dismissible
warning OSD.
1-255
mins
30 mins.
Global and STB
specific.
Controlled by
System Engineers
Proximity report
submission period
The period between submitting two
subsequent proximity reports while
in the ‘Normal Operation’ state
1 – 180 days 30 days Controlled by Sky
Italia
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7.1 Proximity Configuration Parameters
In order to configure the proximity check time windows, to allow specifying
status levels of time windows and their properties, the following parameters will
be defined:
1. Max RTT
2. Time Unit
3. Number of status levels
Per each status level:
4. Level ID
5. Time window duration
6. Proximity check repetition rate
The configuration parameters will be sent either to a unique STB or in a global
fashion. If both global and unique setting is set to the box, the unique setting will
take precedence.
7.1.1 Max RTT
Defines the Maximum RTT threshold. This threshold defines the maximum RTT
time which is treated by the STB as a successful result.
The RTT threshold could be defined according to the household physical
connectivity scheme – accommodating wired, wireless and mixed connectivity
schemes.
Max RTT will be delivered to the STB in a single Byte presenting Max RTT in
milliseconds, range: 0-255 msec.
7.1.2 Time Windows
The following will define the time windows:
 Time Unit - defines the time units used to set the windows time duration,
this impacts the windows duration field only, allowing to set it in different
time units as required.
The range is 0,1,2:
 0- days
 1- hours
 2- minutes
 Number of status levels - defines the number of status levels managed by the
proximity manager. Two levels will be used.
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 Level ID - defines the status level; this status level will be reported to the
sanction manager which will select the appropriate sanction depending on
the level reported. Two levels are applicable –
 Validity Window – level 0
 Display Warning Window – level 1
 Time window duration - duration of the status level in time units defined
above.
The time window will be measured from the end of the previous window. Level
ID and Time window duration will be provided per all the levels defined in
Number of status levels.
Note Time window duration of the highest level (display warning) is not
bounded. Exit from this window is a successful proximity test.
 Proximity check repetition rate – defines the proximity check repetition rate
for the specified level in units of 15 seconds.
7.1.3 Parameters Delivery and Processing
The parameters defined above will be delivered from the headend to the
proximity manager by EMM. The proximity manager is responsible for parsing
and processing these parameters.
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8 Proximity diagnostics
The following diagnostics will be available in the STB proximity diagnostics
screen
8.1 Information about this device
Table 6 Device information diagnostics
Item value comments
Proximity Checking Enabled / Disabled
Headend Communication
Status
Ok/Failed Indicates if the STB
received a DRM identity or
not- “DRM Activation
Status”
IP Status Ok/Failed Same as IP Connection
Status in the IP diagnostics
screen
Domain ID xxxxxxxxxxxxx The DRM Domain ID in UPM
UPM device ID Xxxxxxxxxxxxx Device ID in UPM
Total Number of peer devices
in the Home
# of peer STBs The number of peer STBsreceived
from the Headend
8.2 Information about peer devices
Table 7 Peer STB diagnostics information
Item value comments
Per each peer device (e.g. device 1 of 2)
Device ID xxxxxxxxxxxxx This is received from the
peer STB discovered over
UPnP
Last Status Reported Ok/Failed/Not found
Last Time Updated dd/mm/yyyy , hh:mm:ss
Last Time Successful dd/mm/yyyy , hh:mm:ss
Last response time xxxxxx this is the obfuscated “RTT”
value
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Appendix A SMS->EMMG protocol changes
A.1 Proximity parameters configuration
This appendix lists the details of setting the proximity parameters configuration in
the STB by the Headend. The control is achieved via T020 ‘Data To IRD’ action.
The table below defines the “Data to IRD” payload.
Table 8 Proximity Control Definition
Offset Length comment
2 Action type - 24 (TBC)
0 1 Round trip time in milliseconds. Value of 0 used if correction not
required (see section 7.1.1)
1 1 Number of defined Time windows
2 1 Size of information block for each Time window
3 1 Time units used: 0 = Days; 1 = Hours; 2 = Minutes;
Next fields are repeated for each Time window
1 Status level id (see section 7.1.2)
2 Time window duration (MSB)
1 Retest rate in units of 15 sec
Note Will not be currently supported
1 Time window definition. Reserved for future use must be 0
9 1 Reportback frequency (optional, default – 30 days)
10 1 Reportback frequency time units (optional, default – days):
0 = days
1 = hours
2 = minutes
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A.2 Trigger immediate proximity reportback
DataToIRD Verifier Information Packet (VIP) can be used to trigger an immediate
proximity reportback.
Table 9 describes the T020 DataToIRD payload format.
Table 9 Trigger proximity reportback. T020 DataToIRD format
Field Length (bytes) Value/Description Comment
Action type 2 9E – Proximity
reportback control
Sub-action 1 1 – trigger immediate
reportback
Other values reserved
for future use
Appendix B - Proximity report data format
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Appendix B Proximity report data format
Table 10 describes the format of proximity report sent by STB to PCS in the
Headend. The report is TLV formatted ASCII message delivered as a payload of
HTTP POST message.
Table 10 Proximity report data format
Tag (2 bytes
ASCII)
Meaning Length (HEX
or ASCII
bytes)
Value (HEX or
ASCII)
Notes
TM Report timestamp 8H in seconds from
1970
HH Domain ID 16H
SD STB ID 8H
SP STB IP Address Vary (A)
SM STB MAC Address 16H
UD STB UPnP UDN 42A
GP Default gateway IP
Address
Vary (A)
GM Default gateway MAC
Address
16H
PN Number of peer
devices
2H
For each STB peer:
PD Peer STB ID 8H
PP Peer STB IP Address Vary (A)
PM Peer STB MAC Address 16H
PU Peer UPnP UDN 42A
TT Last proximity test
time
8H in seconds from
1970
TR Last proximity result 1A ‘S’ – success
‘F’ – failed
‘N’ – not
reached
‘D’ – not found
F – RTT over
threshold
N – TTL exhausted
D – not UPnP
discovered
RT Last proximity test
RTT value
4H Milliseconds (up to
65 seconds)
Change History
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Change History
Revision 2.00
Revision date: 24 April 2014
Location Change
Section 1.1 Note added
Section 2.1.1 Title changed to Requirements for support of Companion Devices - Future
Section 2.3.4 Proximity test updated
Section 2.3.5  STB and household identity added
 Domain_id Note added
Section 2.3.6 Title changed to Countermeasures - future
Section 3.2.2 Proximity test results storage added
Section 5.1 STB registration note added
Section 5.2.2 Preconditions updated
Section 6.2.1 Note added
Section 8.1 Table 6: Device information diagnostics updated
Section 8.2 Table 7 Peer STB diagnostics information updated
Appendix A.1 Table 8 Proximity Control Definition updated
Appendix B Table 10 Proximity report data format updated
Revision 1.00
Revision date: 11 March 2014
Location Change
Section 1.1 Paragraph describing ubiquity of companion devices
Section 1.5 References updated
Section 2.1.1 Requirements for support of Companion Devices added
Section 2.1.1.1 Requirements for the companion devices added
Section 3 Table 3 updated
Section 3.3 Support for Companion Devices section and subsections added
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In parole povere chi chiederà il multivision dovrà collgare i decoder alla stessa rete e uno dei 2 controllerà l'altro per capire se si trovo nella stessa abitazione (lan) o ha cambiato "domicilio". riporto quando detto in un altro forum...
quì salta qualche testa alla cisco, spiega le specifiche e come funziona il controllo di prossimità per i multivision, non vorrei essere nei panni di chi si è fatto fregare questo pdf [/B]

[Grattachecca]

ciao e grazie a tutti ....

[zava]

Grattachecca hai fatto un copia incolla dal pc di qualche ufficio S*y ???:slow:

[cilard]

Ecco bravi quelli di sky...combattessero questo fenomeno del multivision....invece di rompere le balle a noi!!! Ahahahahah

[Grattachecca]

Grattachecca hai fatto un copia incolla dal pc di qualche ufficio S*y ???:slow:

A chi è sfuggito questo documento sicuramente gli staranno tirando le orecchie :D

[robyuan]

e' stato rimosso e quando ho tentato di metterlo su mediafire per chi non l'avesse letto, il sito non me lo ha fatto caricare,hehehehe. quindi.....scappato dalla stalla.

[zava]

e' stato rimosso e quando ho tentato di metterlo su mediafire per chi non l'avesse letto, il sito non me lo ha fatto caricare,hehehehe. quindi.....scappato dalla stalla.

scappato o fatto scappare per mettere un po' di paura agli "utonti" che nemmeno lo leggono ?
sono banalmente le procedure di gestione dei contratti multivision mi pare di aver inteso ;)

[Grattachecca]

Si è la nuova gestione del multi....

[yotaeai]

Che anche sul Multi, io non capisco....
Chi ha un regolare abbonamento, mi sembra che abbia il sacrosanto diritto, a termini di contratto, di portarsi la scheda in una seconda casa dove abbia un secondo decoder di proprietà... (Al mare, per dire...)
Ora, con il multivision, questo diritto lo si perde?! Bisogna spostare entrambe le schede contemporaneamente?
E quando e se i decoder si terranno d'occhio, addirittura entrambi i decoder?
Francamente lo trovo assurdo...

[paprica]

Si e' proprio cosi queste sono le politiche di sky. Mi sembra che stanno esagerando davvero.
:omg:

[tiz63]

Bene e io che ho abbonamento al multi e non abito in Italia che fanno mi danno disdetta? Peggio per loro uno in meno. La champion i mondiali li danno anche su srg.

[cdlr1be]

Salve ; io fino ad ora mi hanno Killato 5 Schede ( une 0919 ; una 093B e 3 09CD ); per ora l'ultima l'ho sempre messa nel skyfobox e cosi non rischio di farmel bruciare di nouvo.

Ma onestamente, se ci sara una possibilita di utilizzarla di nuovo altro che nel skyfobox, sarei interessato.

Come si dice Wait end see...

[enzo]

E solo una circolare con ipotesi di.........hai ancora un bel po di tempo tiz tranquillo :)

Non farla uscire da li cdlr, 5 killate mi sa che questa e l'ultima, poi arriva la letterina
Benvenuto

[cdlr1be]

E solo una circolare con ipotesi di.........hai ancora un bel po di tempo tiz tranquillo :)

Non farla uscire da li cdlr, 5 killate mi sa che questa e l'ultima, poi arriva la letterina
Benvenuto

Si e per questo che la tengo Nello skyfobox, apsettanto delle novita

[biaginus]

post che viola i copyright è questo cancellalo o fallo cancellare dagli amministratori sei perseguibile altrimenti ,,,,questo mi hanno scritto in mp , da parte di uno che si chiama http://www.maghreb-sat.com/forum/attachments/f65/5702d1383861277t-discussions-entre-nous-4.jpg (http://www.maghreb-sat.com/forum/members/farro69.html) farro69 (http://www.maghreb-sat.com/forum/members/farro69.html)
http://www.maghreb-sat.com/forum/digitalvb/morbid/statusicon/user-offline.pngora n on so se e uno scherzo o cosa lascio agli aministratori la decisione

[enzo]

Si, mi hanno contattato, bho, violiamo il copiright azz, e io che credevo parlassimo di uncinetto
l'utente farro69 non esiste o e stato cancellato, non posso neanche chiedergli spiegazioni

[Grattachecca]

Stessa cosa per me ma scritto dall'utente Pollio....

[robyuan]

ricevuto pure io. sto tizio iscritto il 23 maggio 2014 alle 19,35 e il pm data 23 maggio alle 19,37. due minuti per leggere il messaggio che chiede di cancellare e fare i pm. un vero mandrake. risulta con zero messaggi. gli ho risposto dicendo di presentarsi.:pissedoff:

[enzo]

Chi era a te roby?

[robyuan]

farro69
lo stesso vostro

[enzo]

Non esiste piu l'utente sara stato bannato all'istante

10093

[enzo]

farro69 is banned
Pollio ammonito

[Marte_57]

beh dai gestori del forum puoi avere l’ip di farro e di conseguenza , volendo si può sapere esattamente di chi si ttraatta anche se accede provato ;)



In parole povere chi chiederà il multivision dovrà collgare i decoder alla stessa rete e uno dei 2 controllerà l'altro per capire se si trovo nella stessa abitazione (lan) o ha cambiato "domicilio". riporto quando detto in un altro forum...
quì salta qualche testa alla cisco, spiega le specifiche e come funziona il controllo di prossimità per i multivision, non vorrei essere nei panni di chi si è fatto fregare questo pdf [/B]



ahh ben per bypassare questa dosa sarebbe davvero banale!!!!
secondo me useranno altri sistemi e non il controllo sulla rete locale, anche perché poi qualcuno potrebbe aver da ridire, giustamente!!
inoltre se il buon canguro permette il la rete in casa me la faccio come cazzo dico io, se voglio fare una sottorete una vlan e centomila archibugi perché mi faccio le seghe mentali, lui non può impedirmelo...
e poi ancora... ma non sarebbe più semplice implementare una volta per tutti il marriage e come caxx si chiama e buonanotte???

[biaginus]

zero novita , non se ne parla piu ovunque credo se ne parli a settembre ormai

[Marte_57]

hihih farro... mi viene in mente Caccone... chi se lo ricorda???

[Bajiji25]

Ormai ho dei forti dubbi riguardo l'HD e la possibilità di poterli rivedere. Sono passati 7 mesi e nessuna novità nell'aria, tutto tace.

[cilard]

I mondiali incombono....io terrei sott'occhio maggiormente gli SD! Son del parere che se superiamo lo scoglio mondiali già è un ottima notizia.

[Bajiji25]

I mondiali incombono....io terrei sott'occhio maggiormente gli SD! Son del parere che se superiamo lo scoglio mondiali già è un ottima notizia.

Già, avere anche solo l'SD è comunque cosa buona, molto buona!

[paco820]

Sono pienamente daccordo

Inviato dal mio GT-N7100 utilizzando Tapatalk

[biaginus]

be i mondiali si possono vedere im hd da tante parti , germania francia svizzera spagna , fosse solo i mondiali staremmo ottimamente

[louiz]

Sinceramente non ho letto tutto il tread vi posto un video trovato in altro lido, probabilmente un fake ma vista la calma piatta ...

VIDEO (https://vidd.me/7Hz)

[pupobiondo]

ma..........
ogni volta che cè qualche problema di questo tipo o di visione completa escono questi video se è vero chi lo sà

[paprica]

Bhe che dire del video come dice il nostro amico pupobiondo ogni qualvolta escono questi video non riusciamo a capire le intenzioni come se' dicessero il beneficio e' solo per pochi?

[cilard]

Effettivamente la programmazione è quella di sky del 5 giugno....quindi il video è reale.....mahhhhh che aspettano a dire come cacchio risolvere

[biaginus]

credo che potrebbe trattarsi di iptv , se notate e lento nel canbio canale e una mia ipotesi poi non so

[Grattachecca]

credo che potrebbe trattarsi di iptv , se notate e lento nel canbio canale e una mia ipotesi poi non so
Concordo...... il futuro si chiama IPTV

[cilard]

Non penso....cè l'epg e poi troppo fluido il video. Iptv in hd???? Ripeto non penso proprio

[Grattachecca]

Io non capisco perché se non c'è l'HD non si guardi più la TV...... :)

[dinodn]

Scusa Grattachecca se mi permetto... ma con una bella tv tipo un 50 pollici. .. la differenza di qualità è enorme

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[pupobiondo]

Concordo che la qualità sia nettamente a favore dell'hd io le partite le stò vedendo sui svizzeri che hanno una buona qualità là si vede la differenza sui film non mi interessa tanto

[Grattachecca]

Non metto in dubbio che la qualità sia inferiore...... ma comprare un super mega 50 pollicioni solo x vedere skyfo HD :D :D ( la mia vuole solo essere una provocazione)

[sparvierorosso]

basta non guardare la tv ed e' tutto risolto non vi pare ? heheheheh

[alexrosanero]

raga che ve ne sembra di questo video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzER_Oj3ZqA

[enzo]

Sono mesi che circolano questi video, qualcuno fake qualcuno autentico probabilmente, qualcuno avra una soluzione e se la tiene, cosa dire d'altro, ma anche questo sono mesi che si sa, una marea di ipotesi ma nessuna certezze, nel video si vede solo un VU+solo mi sembra senza nessun altro ageggio, anche se non vuol dire niente

[faggia]

Secondo me la soluzione c'è ma se la tengono stretta

[dinodn]

Lo stesso video girava oltre un mesetto fa. .. e da allora non se ne sa piu nulla...

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[louiz]

mah, sinceramente vedo solo un video di un negozio di TV e simili, dove dimostra che è collegato ad un decoder con su Mccam ma nulla si evince su collegamenti a server esterni che vedono, a me pare meno attendibile di molti altri.
Ma come giustamente dite chi ha la soluzione se la tiene per tempi più redditizi !

[torerowite]

Leggo spesso in giro che gente che si vanta di avere la soluzione, io dico che la soluzione non ce l'ha nessuno tranne quelli pagati dall'Australiano che hanno chiuso i rubinetti, in questo paese non si muove nulla a caso, Caltanissetta a molti non ha insegnato nulla, oppure hanno la memoria corta.

[enzo]

Leggo spesso in giro che gente che si vanta di avere la soluzione, io dico che la soluzione non ce l'ha nessuno tranne quelli pagati dall'Australiano che hanno chiuso i rubinetti, in questo paese non si muove nulla a caso, Caltanissetta a molti non ha insegnato nulla, oppure hanno la memoria corta.

Probabilmente e cosi, piace fare i spacconi a molti, da dietro uno schermo e facile.

[billi22]

Questo video non dimostra niente in effetti, ma girano o sono girati altri molto piu veritieri, vero non vero questo non saprei dirlo